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  1. michael horan

    The key line in all this is the editorial comment, which cuts right to the chase, and I think Eli captured the utter futility of this endeavor perfectly: “I wish there was a feasible way to elevate a third voice in this nonsensical debate between the Democrats and Republicans.”

    And the key  phrase is, “I wish.”

    Me too. And I wish for universal peace. And a pony.

    But when it comes to third parties, that’s all I keep seeing–wishes. What I’m not seeing: growth, fundraising, or the faintest whiff of success.

    I stopped wishing. Turns out there isn’t a santa claus.

    NOte to Eli: I’m confused. Are you suggesting that there are only two voices? Because I’m hearing some radically different stuff from across the GOP spectrum, and I’m hearing a hell of a lot of hard charging voices coming from senior progressive Democrats. The voices ARE there. Tune in, and consider lending them your support. (It’s okay to get your hands a little dirty. Really. Virginty’s declasse anyway.)

    Getting very bored hearing everyone pretend that “The Democrats” speak with one voice, which is complete horseshit. In fact, if any party could be accused of that–I’d suggest looking in the mirror.

     

  2. michael horan

    Can’t tell you how very much I’d love to agree with everything herein. And in theory, you could not be more right about the real solutions (of course, you left out the billions we’d make from legalizing weed–not to mention that DC would be an ever-so-much more relaxed place). But the timing of your piece is awkward, at best, when it comes to the disjunction between theoria and praxis; between ideals and reality; between getting what you want, and getting what you need. So, a few points from street-level.

    1) I’m curious as to how the President is supposed to get a better compromise when he can’t get the one he’s offering!

    My newsfeed and the general commentary from mainstream voters I’m hearing generally represents a “plague upon both your houses” mentality, damning intransigence on both the left and the right. LAST thing they–outside of Alternet and Glen Ford and etc.– want right now is either side pushing harder for more. I know, the radical-prog blogs are well-nigh hysterical–but LISTEN to the voters.

    I actually agree with your line, “Life becomes much simpler when you just decide to do the right thing.” And it scares the heck out of me, because life is NOT simple, and it’s not black-and-white (especially in a pluralistic democracy). Simplicity is for children. Politics is messy, chaotic, nuanced, compromise-ridden, and, in a pluralistic democracy, the one place you are guaranteed to never get what you want. Or, if you are a truly critical thinker, not a toe-the-line party member or a die-hard ideologue, the place where you can never be wholly sure “you’re right” (folks who feel they scare the beejsus outta me, whether they’re on the far right–or far left). I would argue that for adults, opting to “make life simpler” isn’t a very compelling argument. Total turn-off for me, anyway.

    2) More to the point, there’s a straw-man argument in play here, since Obama’s negotiating strategy, which makes up the bulk of your argument, is already ancient history. I find it more than curious (actually, I find it downright disingenuous) that there is NO reference whatsoever to what IS happening–namely, that Harry Reid’s plan–wholly endorsed by the President, btw–involves NO CUTS to Medicare or Social Security (but, uh, does involve defense cuts).

    Repeat: no cuts to Medicare or Social Security. You’re throwing out red herrings here–and creating your OWN “climate of fear.”

    Can you itemize the specific problems you have with Reid’s plan (and before simply calling for something completely different, keeping in mind that you need to get something through the House)? In fact,let’s get very real. You’re a Green House member. Let’s hear the plan you’re going to submit that’s going to find passage by both Houses. Heck, I’ll even throw in a Green POTUS so you don’t have to worry about a veto. Your serve.

    Governing is ever much harder than sniping. It’s actually not very simple at all, is it?

    3) If the cosigners of this document–the language suggest it’s a personal editorial, not a Party statement– like the “everyday Americans” you cite have in fact suffered wage decreases, lost their homes, can’t afford healthcare, and can’t educate their children, they have my genuine sympathy. I’d love to to hear THEIR stories—personal narrative goes a long way, ya know. Heres’ your opportunity. Mine?: thanks to Obama’s HCR, my daughter qualifies for a quality healthcare plan she otherwise wouldn’t. And two of my children would NOT be attending the schools they are were it not for the Democrats–no exaggeration. And our family squeaked by in part thanks to unemployment insurance extension (opposed by the GOP). (I can supply written evidence for each of these statements). THESE are the very real, very day-to-day concerns of everyday Americans.

    If you are the lower end of the totem, yet can tell me in good faith that your family’s life would NOT be immeasurably harder with Michelle Bachman as President and the GOP in control of both houses; or if you’re at the upper end, and don’t honestly have to fret about daily household finances–then abandoning the Democrats is admittedly your preferred option. But I can speak from experience: there IS a difference, folks, and for those of us at the bottom, it’s very, very real. Those of us at the bottom simply cannot risk losing the aid and safety nets which the Democrats–here in the real world, not in the minds of either Obama or the writers–continue to defend. And no matter how you spin it–and god knows I sure have, over and again in countless ways!–the brutal, damnable fact remains: unless the Greens are running enough, and VIABLE, candidates for national office, failing to support Democrats means risking turning over the reins to those will will gladly and ferociously attack entitlement programs with a gleeful savagery like you haven’t seen. Is that the “politics of fear?” You bet. But me–based on my experience noted above–I don’t have the luxury of voting for utopia any more. I AM afraid. And I truly have to wonder whether the co-signers are truly susceptible to the same risks I am. Sorry, but while you may be able to, you’re asking me to make a gamble I simply can’t afford.

    4) Moreover, “Obama” isn’t the issue here, much as you may wish to make him the bogeyman (btw, can you reference that “9 percent” figure? Thanks). The Democratic Party is no more monolithic than are the Greens, and Obama no more represents all of us than, say, Cynthia McKinney does the Greens. If you’ve been reading and watching the news, you’ve probably been seeing a lot of Keith Ellison, repping the progressive caucus, who are championing a “People’s Budget” which seems to reflect Green values. And publicly bashing Obama. Are they winning? No. But there are fine Democrats, folks with solid experience, a progressive track record, and genuine integrity running for both House and Senate in 2012. We can bolster the ranks of progressives by working on their behalf. How does joining the GRP help in any way whatsoever to change the culture of DC?

    Because, after all–while it’s easy enough to damn Washington (everyone and their uncle seems to issuing a statement today!), changing Washington requires offering an alternative. I haven’t seen any evidence to date that the GRP is or will be running candidates for the House and Senate. If you are–it’s great that you’ll finally be stepping up to the plate, and if your candidates make the ballot, I’ll be vociferous in insisting that a GRP candidate be invited to all debates–and, I promise, I’ll withdraw my support from any Democratic candidate who doesn’t adhere to the same standard. But if you’re not … well, I’m not sure why you’re issuing proclamations regarding national policy when you don’t offer us an alternative. Somone to vote FOR, ya know? Otherwise, you’re just another crank on FB (like me) grousing.

    Buty you’re not. You’re a political party. Got candidates?

    Rather than endlessly rehashing the “not a dime’s worth of difference,” argument, which clearly, and with very good reason, isn’t exactly resonating with the electorate, and vesting your identity in a party-label … why not make common cause and start by going after our real enemies? Because the fact is, Greens DEPEND on us Democrats to hold the line (let’s not kid ourselves). Imagine the country without us. Looks a lot like America circa the winter of 1932, doesn’t it?

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