This is a fascinating interview that really gets down to the crux of what we’re facing, and how far we are from even understanding what it is that we’re facing.

His dismissal of Avatar notwithstanding, read this interview to the very end (it’s long).

Two small excerpts:

On action and knowledge during the 70s being stymied:

The one thing that was missing in that dialogue in the Seventies and Eighties was that nobody was really talking about strategy. How do we convey this as a message? We made the assumption, at least I sure did, that all people needed were the facts, data and logic. That meant more articles, more books, and then pretty soon they’ll see what’s at stake. I think we missed the whole issue of how you motivate people and how you actually move the dialogue. I don’t know that even if we had tried to do that, I don’t know that we could have done. I know that I went to meetings in the Seventies and Eighties, talking about the politics of these things and I don’t think people got how important the political dimension was, even at the local scale, the national or global scale, I don’t think people were understanding it.